Morons & Oxymorons: On Male Feminists

This is an open letter about men who claim to be feminist and to the women who believe them.

This letter is directed at women who — without any analysis or criteria — believe men who claim to be feminist. This letter is not directed at anybody else, so please ensure that you are indeed a member of the intended audience before replying. This letter has been written with the cooperation of 28 radical feminists, all of whom should be familiar to those who frequent radical feminist spaces. We are rather serious about a rather serious harm being committed with impunity.

First, you need to know why we have a valid reason for being concerned about the behavior of self-identified feminist men within feminist spaces, and our answer is simple: We have identified the subtle mechanisms utilized by “pro-feminist” men to divide and conquer, to erase the commonality from all women within feminist spaces, and whose cumulative effect results in a gross marginalization of the radical feminist position. We are not the only women to notice a problem. Megan Milanese brilliantly describes most of the tactics in her blog post about fauxminism and men — yet that list does not go far enough to analyze the extent of the problem.

So why should an erasure of the commonality inherent to all women matter to anyone besides radical feminists? Lucky Nickel makes the relevant connection for us:

Self-naming and self-identified labels mean nothing. There must be substance to the label they identify with and substance to who they claim to be. Otherwise folks can insist on calling a mouse a giraffe or claim rape is really love.

What I do think important to note is that liberals, lesbian separatists and radical feminists are all flying the radfem flag these days. The problem being, they are 3 separate and distinct political groups and ideologies, 2 of whom are inappropriately waving the radfem flag. It can get a bit tricky tho with lesbian separatists as radical feminists can also be lesbian separatists. But not all lesbians are radfems and not all radfems are lesbian separatists, or even lesbian for that matter. But in Julian Real’s case, that would be irrelevant. The dude is not a lesbian or radical feminist.

What the dude is, is a liberal. And what he is attempting to do is appropriate the radical feminist label in order to inject liberal ideology. Equality politics are liberal politics, not radical feminist politics. Radical feminists seek liberation from men and their system, not equality. Liberals focus on differences between women. Radical feminists focus on the commonality of women. Needless to say, these 2 different ideologies conflict and clash. Which delights men like Julian Real to no end. Cuz if he keeps liberal women pitted against radical feminist women, it keeps women from unifying, which in turn keeps the heat off of pricks like him and men in general. Slick, no?

In talking to each other privately, we have decided to collectively communicate the following message regarding men such as Julian Real, Hugo Schwyzer, and other men like them, who claim to be feminist allies.

These men do not speak for women as well as we can speak for ourselves and we ask that women give radical feminist bloggers the respect of reading our words, joining the discussion in comments on our blogs, and contributing to our own community rather than giving energy to men who seek to divide us on points which all feminists have in common. Men exhibiting these behaviors have inserted themselves into discussions among women when their participation was insidiously harmful in nature and we ask that you not support that behavior nor make excuses for it.

Women working together, apart from the men who seek to divide us, can create something that only women can create.

In solidarity with other radical feminists, all women seeking a true feminist discussion among women, and ultimately, all women.

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9 thoughts on “Morons & Oxymorons: On Male Feminists

  1. Wow, it has been a long time since I thought about any of these questions. So I may be a bit rusty, forgive me if my question is awkward it is posted in the spirit of curiosity and nothing more. While I was very active in 3rd wave feminism have never self-identified as a radical feminist, more a materialist/Marxist, but I remember many more subtleties than what I get when I do a quick google search of the term, basically that power was dictated by those who owned the means of production more than wanting to follow Marx, because why would I want to do that? lol, His views of women were troublesome.

    Okay, so there is a little background on where I am coming from, it occurs to me that currently, the means of production in many ways have/are evolving rapidly with technology etc., not to imply that I believe for a second that means feminists don’t have a lot of work to do, or that women aren’t under attack. From what I understand, and please feel free to correct me, radical feminists believe that men are the root of the problem, and therefore want to separate themselves from men. I could only see a male being a true supporter of this if he likewise wanted to separate from women. So I do see your point.

    My question is, is this not readily achievable in our current society? If so, what is the broader goal of radical feminists circa 2012? I realize my question may be very naive but I am feeling naive, lol. I realize this may be a question with a very large scope so perhaps you could point me to resources that would help me understand.

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  2. Males are the main problem in females’ subordination. So yeah, separation seems like a logical solution to that. But not all females wake up to that, they live in denial for decades, accusing radfems of being man-haters, only changing their minds as they get older.

    Very Groundhog Day.

    So, what is your point?

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  3. I was just trying to understand your point of view. I mean if technology has made this a possibility, my point was what is the current goal?

    From your response, it seems like you want all females to separate. But I can’t really tell as you didn’t answer what your goal is, you criticized other women. I think I maybe have talked to you before. Criticizing other people isn’t really a goal definition.

    I didn’t call you a man-hater. I was curious and open-minded and wanted to understand what you feel so passionate about. I think many women would not want to live a life-style separated from men. Men are kinder to me than other women in general.

    But this seems to have made you angry, so nevermind…

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  4. Joy, frankly you don’t come across as sincere. You are misrepresenting my actions and words, all of the above was not specifically about the post – which makes me suspicious of your sincerity. So no, not ‘angry’, just annoyed that you have started up your own little conversation, largely irrelevant to the thread, and don’t seem to be specifically engaging in conversation (or even clear about what you are talking about).

    For that, ciao for now. You can comment again on future threads, but ensure that your comment is relevant and on-topic to the thread, otherwise the comment is likely to stay in mod.

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  5. Once women are no longer required to give birth, many men will attempt to get rid of us all together. Or keep us on as slave labour, our lives will get worse not better.

    Davina, have you thought of what kind of an epitaph a squirrel might adopt? A nut, a nut, my treedom for a nut, Perhaps? Or maybe not; if you think of one you like could you add it to my epitaph collections thread at the hub?

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  6. Hi zeph.
    Once women are no longer required to give birth, many men will attempt to get rid of us all together.
    Very true. They are already trying out uterine transplants (currently woman to woman). But frankly, if males did not need us for breeding, they would have slaughtered all of us long ago.

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  7. Yes, long ago. That is why I don’t believe men will ever change on a sufficient scale for it to make a significant difference to our lives, I think they would rather get rid of us than try.

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