I did a bit more research on the Whooping Cough vaccine (yes, I know, I should do that sort of thing before writing the previous post!). This was going to be a comment on the previous thread, but was so huge, it deserved to be a post on its own.
It was the death of a baby (Riley) due to whooping cough recently that started this mandatory vaccination campaign that we have at the moment (and the government “blackmail” for mandatory vaccinations). My assumption is that, the DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus and “acellular” pertussis) is particulary risky, and a bit of a crap shoot, and seems to have some bearing.
This post, written by a female doctor, Dr Brogan, focuses on the immunity myth, particularly with DTaP, and specifically the notion of vaccinations of pregnant women. She has researched the concept of vax recommendations for pregnant women, and found the peer (and CDC) information somewhat underwhelming.
She continues with the backstory on the childhood immunisation programme:
Pertussis incidence was waning on its own until a 1980 mandate to vaccinate in 42 states. Since this time, and since the introduction of the seemingly “less dangerous” acellular pertussis vaccine (the whole cell vaccine was so clearly toxic that seizure activity and fevers drove parents away from vaccination, and it still took almost 50 years to change the product)
The earlier version was the ‘whole cell’ pertussis, called DPT, the current version is called DTaP. (my emphasis)
Despite egregious efforts on the part of the media, and even medical authors […] to blame the unvaccinated population, the truth is finally too obvious to ignore. After known outbreaks in Idaho, Cincinnati, California, and North Carolina where the majority to 100% of the infected population was vaccinated (no room for finger pointing there), we, just this week, have the crowning achievement appearing in the NY Times, of all places, stating:
“But scientists say the problem of surging whooping cough cases has more to do with flaws in the current vaccines than with parents’ resistance. The new finding suggests yet another weakness of the vaccine — that even people recently vaccinated may be continuing to spread the infection without getting sick.”
She goes on to say that “[t]hey appear to be advocating for use of the old whole cell vaccine”, which becomes worrying, because the amount of death and damage done to babies was the reason parents turned away from the vaccine! She then concludes with some of the questionable ingredients present in most vaccines, and then advises that maybe it is not really a good idea for pregnant women. Mark my words, compulsory vaccination programmes (for children) WILL come in eventually as compulsory for pregnant women, resulting pregnant women being accused with “harming their unborn child” and “being irresponsible”. Of course these accusations and mandatory vaccinations for pregnant women will most likely be done by the ‘foetal protection’ laws that are gaining in popularity (the entire purpos of those laws by the way, is to control or punish women, don’t be fooled otherwise).
A vaccine-questioning website has published emails of parents’ experience with ‘bad’ reaction following children’s vaccination with the (supposedly safer) DTaP.
Although the DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus and “acellular” pertussis) vaccine replaced the DPT (diphtheria, tetanus, and “whole-cell” pertussis) vaccine a few years ago (because some authorities believed it to be safer), recent emails by concerned parents indicate that this newer version of the triple shot may also be dangerous to your child. Correlations between the pertussis vaccine and SIDS are also documented on this website.
The parents’ accounts show remarkably similar symptoms in the children, the symptoms showing from a few hours to three days after vaccination. It is the similarity of the symptoms (and timing) that lends credibility to the DTaP vax as the culprit. Actually, in reading those accounts, this sounds like the post-vaccination episode that affected myself as a baby (and due to the timeframe, it would have been the DPT version). My mother’s description was: high fever, shaking/convulsions, turning blue (the latter most likely from lack of oxygen). Yet there are a significant number of babies suffering the same ‘side effects’, even with the supposedly safer DTaP today. Fortunately for most, the babies did eventually make full recovery, but unfortunately, some were damaged for life, some quite severely. This is the risk factor that is being swept under the rug by the pro-vax lobby, and I find that totally unacceptable and completely dishonest. Although I do not have any reliable numbers, the choice seems to be—vax to eliminate a fairly small risk of illness/death (it is not always fatal), but have a slightly higher risk of serious adverse reaction to permanent damage.
Now onto the beloved ‘herd’ immunity. With Pertussis particularly, there is not life-long immunity, but interestingly (from Reuters, my emphasis):
Witt had expected to see the illnesses center around unvaccinated kids, knowing they are more vulnerable to the disease.
“We started dissecting the data. What was very surprising was the majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children. That’s what started catching our attention,” said Witt.
Of the 132 patients under age 18, 81 percent were up to date on recommended whooping cough shots and eight percent had never been vaccinated. The other 11 percent had received at least one shot, but not the complete series.
Note that in the above outbreak, the smallest percentage were the unvaccinated, the absolute highest percentage were the ‘fully vaccinated’. This can of course be in part that the fully vaccinated make up the majority anyway, but it does show that outbreaks of this kind are not due to the unvaccinated. And it does show, that without a doubt, if you are for the mandatory vaccinations of children and subscribe to the ‘herd’ immunity, then constant mandatory vaccinations are required for the entire population, including adults, for LIFE (try mandating compulsory medical intervention for men!). However, in the case of Pertussis, it still might not stop you getting it; might increase your chance of getting it; and fairly likely, becoming an asymptomatic carrier (no tests were done on the vaccinated who did not go onto the illness to ascertain whether they were asymptomatic carriers—a huge flaw in the plan to ascertain the ‘herd’ immunity!)
Back to Dr Brogan:
The wisdom of the immune system is such that infection educates the body in ways that we do not completely understand (it’s more than just antibody production!), and then passive exposure from infected individuals in the community, serves to continually reeducate and “boost” the potential response that keeps reinfection at bay.
Vaccines don’t do this, have never done this, and will never do this. DTaP is a perfect example.
In the case of infants, they would inherit natural antibodies and then pass them onto their newborns for years of protection – by evolutionary design. The assumption that vaccine-induced antibodies that pass through the placenta would pass for protection has never been demonstrated, and, in fact, is just that – an assumption. We have also seen shifts of the burden of disease to more vulnerable populations, and in many cases, this population is the newborn, exactly who we were intending to protect.
She goes on:
Here’s why the pertussis vaccine doesn’t work:
- It commits original antigenic sin. This means that the vaccine triggers an immune response to bacteria, but not to a toxin through which the bacteria does its damage, called ACT. Because of this, the body may “mislearn” how to respond, rendering the vaccinated 4-15 times more vulnerable to future infection than they would have been originally.
- The vaccinated are also colonized with and vulnerable to parapertussis, a related infection.
So the case of DTaP, very shakey indeed.
Given that the Pertussis vaccination programme possibly makes it more likely to future infection than otherwise, it seems to be a false prophecy. From other site, this article (I think he may be wrong in some aspects of the actual mechanisms, but is correct in one key point):
Whooping cough vaccines keep whooping cough in circulation! The vaccines cause the very disease they claim to treat, so the more kids get vaccinated, the more outbreaks occur! This then results in more people calling for more vaccines, which causes even more whooping cough outbreaks to occur, and this sick profiteering cycle of vaccine quackery repeats itself over and over until children are pumped full of useless vaccines while the drug companies bank on record profits and all the parents are living in fear.
Earlier, he makes three key points:
- The whooping cough vaccines have NEVER been tested for long-term efficacy.
- Doctors openly admit the vaccine “doesn’t provide lasting protection” against the disease.
- But doctors and government authorities mindlessly push the vaccine anyway?!
Particularly the first point, if the government/CDC etc were really serious about the ‘herd’ immunity thing, then you know, long-term follow-up would be a key element of this (not done!). And where they know that a particular vaccination is relatively short-acting or requires ‘boosters’ (4-6 vaccinations of DTaP are recommended for children), then an attempt to eradicate a disease comes back to mandatory vaccinations for the entire population for life (I probably should not give BigPharma any ideas, but they probably are figuring ways to make this happen).
Of course, the big deal in all this, given the ‘fully vaccinated’ make the majority of Pertussis cases, and no one has yet ruled out asymptomatic carriers (particularly among the vaccinated), this entire vaccination programme is highly questionable to say the least.
With the MMR (or MMRV programme), one of the main issues parents have is that the programme is combined, and not available in separate innoculations. Again, the governments go out of their way to prevent choice in the matter.
From the reading I did a few days ago (and have since forgotten the links), it seems the main issue with MMR is not the vaccination itself (de-activated versions of the viruses), but the preservatives and other agents that come with this multi-vaccine (some agents are specifically required only because it is a multi-vaccine, hence single doses generally would not contain these, or at least the degree of these substances).
Reading the CDC website on one agent, Thimerosal, which is used mainly in Flu vaccinations (particularly multi-strains) but not used in MMR, there are a number of questionable/contradictory details (extracts from the page):
What is thimerosal? Is it the same as mercury?
Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound and has been used for decades in the United States and other countries. It’s use as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes.
Mercury is a metal found naturally in the environment and affects the human body differently than thimerosal.
What is the difference between ethylmercury and methylmercury? How are they different?
When learning about thimerosal and mercury it is important to understand the difference between two different compounds that contain mercury: ethylmercury and methylmercury. They are totally different materials.
- Methylmercury is formed in the environment when mercury metal is present. If this material is found in the body, it is usually the result of eating some types of fish or other food. High amounts of methylmercury can harm the nervous system. This has been found in studies of some populations that have long-term exposure to methylmercury in foods at levels that are far higher than the U.S. population. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.
- Ethylmercury is formed when the body breaks down thimerosal. The body uses ethylmercury differently than methylmercury; ethylmercury is broken down and clears out of the blood more quickly. Low-level ethylmercury exposures from vaccines are very different from long-term methylmercury exposures, since the ethylmercury does not stay in the body.
Is thimerosal safe for people?
Yes. Thimerosal has been used safely in vaccines for a long time (since the 1930s) and has a proven track record of being safe. A variety of scientists have been studying the use of vaccines that have thimerosal in them for many years. They haven’t found any actual evidence that thimerosal causes harm.
Why was thimerosal removed from vaccines given to children?
- Although no evidence suggests that there are safety concerns with thimerosal, vaccine manufacturers have stopped using it as a precautionary measure.The only vaccine that still includes thimerosal as a preservative is the multi-dose inactivated influenza vaccine. There are other formulations of flu vaccine that do not include thimerosal.
- In 1999, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was required by law to assess the amount of mercury in all the products the agency oversees, not just vaccines. The U.S. Public Health Service decided that as much mercury as possible should be removed from vaccines, and thimerosal was the only source of mercury in vaccines.
- The decision to remove it was a made as a precautionary measure to decrease overall exposure to mercury among young infants.
The TL;DR version: So totally different, but remarkably similar. Totally safe, but we removed it (as much as possible) “as a precaution”.
The logical argument would be, if it was “totally safe”, then why remove it, “as a precaution”? The authorities usually say this when they know damned well it is potentially harmful, or suspected of being harmful, but they will hush it up and remove it “as a precaution”. Medico double-speak.
Although the link between the MMR and autism may not have been proven absolutely (but is suspected by some), and any adverse effects are more likely to be due to the gunk they put in the multi-vax rather than the de-activated viruses themselves, there are potentially other complications/risks as well, even though pro-vaxxers insist all these vaccinations are totally 100% safe. Scroll down and read the section on febrile seizures on the MMR page. So not totally safe then.
It is the one big issue I have with the pro-vax stance, denial of risk exposure. Nor are parents routinely informed at the time of vaccinations about those risks, however minor, like for all other drugs. This flies in the face of parental concerns, because the parents are concerned for their children’s welfare, yet are unknowingly exposing them to risk.
This comes back down to Informed Consent (the lack thereof) and the undisclosed risks of any mandatory or psuedo-mandatory vaccination programme. Programmes such as fluoride in the water supply are also questionable and leading to later health or cosmetic dental issues. Those programmes are also not informed consent, and rolled out by the government authorities, like it or not. Basically, their track record is not that flash, and frequently contains a degree of “acceptable losses”. It is a patriarichical/military mindset. Fine I guess if you are not the one affected, but “tough shit” if you are. Therefore mandatory or psuedo-mandatory immunisation programmes, with undisclosed risk, are really a form of russian roulette played out on the population at large.